Do you trust the police?

Grafter · Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 23

Did the police cause the summer riots?

That is one of the conclusions of a study of the August riots which has found that a deep seated anger and frustration towards the police was a significant factor behind them, with the view that the police were “the biggest gang out there” a reoccurring theme among rioters.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/police_caused_summer_riots_say_analysts_but_gangs_and_poor_parenting_didn_t_help_1_4033412

Do you trust the police?

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New Normal Laugh · Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 72

People dont trust the police anymore but its hardly just the police is it . Clarkson says on national TV that strikers should be shot in front of their families, claims it was a joke ,and his good buddy Cameron says he was just being silly .
Someone comes home from the pub, posts on Facebook about rioting in his town ,next morning he takes it down saying it was a joke and gets 4 years in jail .

nuttybob · Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Isle of Wight

New Normal Laugh · Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 72

Thats the trouble Bob they asked for their opinions and if they say the police they are just dismissed because rioters must be anti-police .In fact the gangs that were involved were a very small minority ,contrary to Cameron claims ,and they actually all called a truce during the riots and banded together .A kind of Big Society working together you might say

nuttybob · Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Isle of Wight

Yes but in calling a truce and banding together they caused millions of pounds worth of damage and looted goodness knows how much from shops.

And unfortunately it's your taxes and my takes that had to be spent clearing up the mess.

New Normal Laugh · Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 72

Nobody is saying the riots were right or that they should have happened this survey was about establishing the varied causes and then perhaps we can avoid it happening next time .
It is very difficult for people to know what it is actually like to be a young person living in London, Liverpool, Manchester etc., what their experiences are and how the way the police treat them affects their view of society and their actions .
If you're middle aged and living on the isle of Wight or Henley-on-Thames for example , should you just assume that the police behave in the exactly the same way is they did when you were a youngster or should you ask the people involved .

nuttybob · Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Isle of Wight

Of course I agree that the police will probably treat some groups differently than others, and I think it's wrong.

However, I think the police do a very difficult job and face a lot of hostility from certain sections of society, which could explain why they may in turn treat them with less courtesy than we would hope.

However, I'm a believer in the saying that in order to get respect you have give it also. If the people citing incivility during interactions with the police showed them a bit more respect then maybe it would be reciprocated.

New Normal Laugh · Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 72

Have you ever been to a premier league football match Bob? and if so did you feel that you were treated with respect?

nuttybob · Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Isle of Wight

No, I'm not into footy. Wink

dazzadz1 · Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Posts: 1

New Normal Laugh · Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 72

This story is a disgrace http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/20/rioters-jailed-faced-attacks-inmates?CMP=twt_gu

The rioters were sent to prisons where the government were well aware they would not be safe because the government appear to be complacent in stopping jails from being violent and intimidating places. To incarcerate a person and put them in a position the government know to be unsafe is , I consider ,tantamount to torture. If they cant guarantee their safety whilst in custody they shouldn't be jailed.

So why were so many jailed for stealing a T-shirt or a pair of trainers? Because the government feared being overthrown by the people it is supposed to represent perhaps? And do you recall the pack of lies we were fed about the riots being gang related, well in reality due to being targeted for attacks in jail the rioters actually had to join gangs for their own protection, and the numbers on suicide watch increased by 200% due to staff concerns about the new arrivals.
Compare the plight of these petty criminals placed in danger to the protection which must have been given to the few token MPs jailed for stealing tax payers money due to the culture of deliberately and systematically fiddling their expenses - that is stealing from the public purse