Legalising Hemp

naylorpitt · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Ryde

I realise that this could turn out to be a very emotive subject for many people but to be honest I am so sick of the outrageous lies spouted by this government about the "dangers" of cannabis (Hemp) that I feel the need to try and put the record straight, to tell the TRUTH about the most valuable plant on the planet.
Before I begin I must point out first and foremost that, contrary to government propaganda, smoking cannabis will not lead you to schizophrenia, this is absolute rubbish. The link to mental health issues is so tenuous that if you asked everybody suffering with mental ill health if they had ever drunk coffee or alcohol you would be able to make the very same link. The suggestion that it is a gateway "drug" is only possibly true in as much as it is illegal and therefore must be purchased from a dealer who, in the majority of cases, will also carry other illegal drugs and the exposure to these drugs are facilitated by the fact that cannabis is included in this prohibition.
The health benefits this plant affords are second to none. It will cure (yes, cure) even terminal cancers among a whole host of other serious ailments, including asthma, arthritis and any other disease that causes cellular changes in the body. These cures are very well documented and easily found on the internet for anybody that cares to look.
It is also a lie to say that it is stronger now than it has ever been, it has been as strong as it is today for at least the last 25yrs, and yet only under this government has it ever been touted as being dangerous to the brain.There is significant evidence to prove otherwise yet this is constantly ignored by Brown and his cronies. There are 3 side effects of smoking cannabis; Happy, hungry, sleepy, and that's it.
Before the 1930's hemp was the most valuable crop around because you can do so much with it. It can completely replace fossil fuels without any harmful effects to the environment. It can be turned into everything from paper to house building materials of the highest quality. It can be used to make bio-degradable plastic that is 10 times stronger than steel, it can be used to feed to livestock, it can be turned into environmentally friendly fuel for vehicles and heating with no threat to the environment. These are just a few examples of what this amazing plant can do for us but the USA's obsession with oil will make sure this plant is never fully utilised as it would seriously affect their profits and world control.
The criminalisation of this plant is nothing short of a crime against humanity. Hemp could save our planet if used to its fullest potential. Oil will destroy it.
I would really appreciate peoples opinions on this subject as I feel it is something we should definitely be campaigning for. Forget the smoking of it, that is just a rather lovely by product of this wonderful plant, we need to re-discover the incredible properties of hemp and start putting it to work doing what it was put here to do. There is no other plant like it on Earth.

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Robj · Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 53

" The health benefits this plant affords are second to none. It will cure (yes, cure) even terminal cancers among a whole host of other serious ailments, including asthma, arthritis and any other disease that causes cellular changes in the body. "

Are you saying then that the goverment are withholding treatment and information that will " cure" some cancers because this is an illegal drug ?

I dont care if people want to smoke cannabis or take it in other ways but I really do find it hard to believe that a cure for some cancers is not being made available to sufferers. Question

EinsteinsGhost · Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Ryde

Apart from the rather silly comment about cancer - can you explain why this or any other governement should deliberately mislead and cover up the so-called 'truth' about cannabis? which was what you seem to be implying. Your post rather begs the question, were you under the influence yourself when you wrote this? If so, I think you may have 'scored' an own-goal!

naylorpitt · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Ryde

Firstly thank you for replying, even if Einsteinsghosts reply was rather insulting! lol
I would like to direct anyone who's interested to a site called Phoenix Tears. This site will give you all the information you need to understand that, yes, hemp oil WILL cure cancer. I suggest Einsteinsghost should most definitely have a look, and educate himself on the facts before resorting to insults on a subject he seems to have little or no knowledge of.
The criminalisation of Hemp was and still is a political move designed to keep the oil corporations power over us and the pharmaceutical corporations in business. A very large portion of their profits come from cancer treatments that rarely, if ever, work. Yes, I am most definitely saying that the government is hiding the truth about this cure, for the reasons stated above, and because they have done SUCH a good job brainwashing people about the fabricated dangers of this plant they would look very silly if they then had to turn around and admit that they had been lying the whole time.Have you not seen the research that has shown clearly that cannabis kills cancer cells? This research and many other findings are easily found on the net, if you just look. This government has shown very clearly that it refuses point blank to consider any health benefits of this plant, it even refuses to heed the advice given by its own advisory council on this matter. Does this not sound any alarm bells for you? May I remind you that this government has done nothing BUT lie since it got into power?Why on earth would any of us believe anything they now say? I urge you to find out for yourselves. Watch the film on Phoenix tears titled "Run from the Cure, the Rick Simpson story" and then make up your own mind.
I notice that no one has disputed the many other invaluable uses this plant can offer. As I stated before, forget about the smoking of it and concentrate on the more important things this plant can do for us. And, just for the record Einsteinsghost, I was not under the influence when I wrote my original post. I do not actually smoke anything anymore but, yes, I did smoke it for some 20yrs, perhaps this is the reason I can see things that the brainwashed public are generally blind to, who knows,lol.
I know that the fact that it cures cancer and is being denied to sufferers is very hard to believe which is why I'm urging you to look at the Phoenix Tears site and decide for yourselves. Have a nice day Smile

EinsteinsGhost · Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Ryde

Forgive please - your so right.

The world is also flat. The Moon landings were all faked in a TV studio and Osama Bin Laden is living as a transvestite in Cowes.

Goodbye.

naylorpitt · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Ryde

What a strange reply....
Why are you so aggressive Nigel? Why do you feel so obviously offended by my post? Have I insulted you the way you insulted me? Is it because you feel a bit silly yourself for reacting in such a bizarre fashion? Where are your arguments against what I have said?
Perhaps next time you're comparing make up techniques with Osama Bin Laden you could ask him how he's managed to evade capture by the most powerful country in the world? Perhaps he just hung off the edge of the world......
You have made yourself look rather foolish with your inability to debate without insult.

EinsteinsGhost · Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Ryde

OK - For everyones sake, not least other users who will find this rather tedious, I will make this my last post on the subject.

I was not being agressive and I am certainly not insulted by anything you have said - far from it, just amused and bemused.

The question of legalising cannabis yes/no is an interesting one as are it's possible medical uses, but you have with your very first post put me off and i'm sure others with arguments that really can only be described as silly and hysterical, so please don't talk about intelligent debate when you support your position with such palpable hogwash. As for the website you mention - no I won't look at it. I simply don't need to. Whatever ones opinions about any subject, no matter how off-the-wall, it woudn't be hard to find a site somewhere to support it. Quoting a website is hardly evidence to back up such claims. You beleive this website simply because you want to beleive it. As for me not knowing what I am talking about, you can discern little about my background and knowledge of the subject from my very brief posts (other than that I am apparently insulted and agressive) I would counter that from your epic posts and content, anyone could tell a great deal about your qualifications and therefore treat your opinions accordingly.

Robj · Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 53

Take it from me......its all a load of tosh. Sorry but it is. Last post !!

EinsteinsGhost · Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Ryde

Your post reminded me robj - I loved those great shots of Culver Down you posted recently. My partner and I are moving to the island in the next couple of months. We should have been there now but boring practical problems like money keep cropping up! Your photos help remind us why were doing this.

naylorpitt · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 45 Location: Ryde

Well, you had better all just climb back in your boxes and go back to sleep then Rolling Eyes

Tuco444 · Joined: 27 Mar 2009 Posts: 11

Right you pair of Idiots, Cannabis sativa is simply a herb which has been used for thousands of years to treat a variety of illnesses and is well documented for its numerous medical benefits. Thats a fact by the way. Contemporary studies of its effects on cancer are positive so naylorpitts point is valid. I have a degree in plant biology and studied hemp extensively at the eden project, it is a remarkable plant and its uses are generally considered to be untapped because of its illicit standing. Most of the pain killers and medicines people use come from plants, so whats the problem. The original post asks us to disregard the recreational use of cannabis, and as such is very credible. Well done naylorpitt nice to see a fellow botanist on these forums, Very Happy

Robj · Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 53

Ok....being called an idiot has spurred me on to reply to Tuco despite saying that I would post no more on this subject.

I am no biologist but have spent many years involved with horticulture and yes Cannabis is known for having some medicinal properties. C. Sativa is the common hemp plant and not the variety which is used for smoking or cake making. In fact, it can be found in many places. A couple of years ago we found some growing under our bird table which had come from the seed we had put out for the birds ..see picture...

C. Sativa can have a mild relaxing effect on some people if a tea is made with the leaves but it had no effect on me !

Now, lets get back to the point. In my wildest dreams I cannot believe that any goverment or medical body would withold a cure for terminal cancer and this is the argument in this thread and nothing else. Forget all the other stuff and just concentrate on this one point.
Its illicit status is no excuse as many banned substances are used for medical purposes

So, knowing the glory and adulation that would come with a cancer cure are you both saying that this goverment are deliberatly holding back information that would save thousands of lives a year ?

Tuco444 · Joined: 27 Mar 2009 Posts: 11

Firstly I apologize Robj, thanks for your point. To clarify politely there are strains of both varieties, both sativa and indica which have psychoactive effects, the police do not distinguish between the two. Both pants contain amounts of THC.
As for the government, I happen to take a somewhat more cynical view than yourself, but am not willing to engage in outlandish theories, in relation to if the government are dishonest with us I refer you to the 2nd Iraq war and the current recession.
The fact remains that very little real research has been done into cannabis's medicinal effects but it has shown great promise in many fields. notably as a pain killer, it acts by blocking pain receptors in the brain, and as an effective treatment of epilepsy, by reducing the excessive neurological activity which causes fitting. So why is it not prescribed, in controlled amounts, to these who could benefit from it? Why is a program not funded to produce a more acceptable way of taking the drug, such as a pill? It really deserves great attention, but does not get it.
And would the government withhold information which could save lives... Im afraid so.

EinsteinsGhost · Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Ryde

Like Robj - I can't beleive I'm getting involved again! It is water of a ducks back if you call me an idiot, but did you actually read what naylorpitt said in his original post? It goes way beyond what you refer to.
To summarise,,

1) Cannabis oil will CURE many TERMINAL cancers and other serious conditions. Not only that, this knowledge is widely available on the net and open to all

2) It can completely replace fossil fuels with no detrimental effect for the envioroment (Again, this 'knowledge' is apprently widely available)

3) It can be used to make a form of plastic which is not only bio-degradeable but is 10 times stronger than steel

4) It can fuel our cars, heat our homes - again with no ill effects to the planet

5) Present cancer treatments rarely if ever work

6) The government has brainwashed us

etc, etc, etc, and all this amazing knowledge all available on the net.

Mr naylorpitt is one of this planets many conspiracy-theorists who become obsessed with a particular issue they have latched on to for reasons unknown despite overwhelming evidence to the contary. One thing they all have in common is you can never convince them they are wrong. Even if there was somehow a full public enquiry into his claims, which would of course find it was all rubbish, it would only be another cover-up in the eyes of the naylorpitts of this world and evidence of the dark forces at work.

mavis67 · Joined: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 3

'It will cure (yes, cure) even terminal cancers'
I think Bob Marley would disagree, though i agree with an awful lot of what you have said.
Personally I would like to see an end to prohibition of all drugs, and view their legalisation as the most responsible course of action that the government could take. Legalisation of drugs means that they will be controlled by the government, and made as safe as possible. It will also make them taxable and make drug dealers redundant, as well as the idea that drug sales fund terrorism and organised crime. They will never win this 'war' on drugs through prohibition.